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Re: Russia attacks Ukraine

Postby Masato » Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:28 am

I can't help but think of the repeated mainstream media spin that sold the invasions of Afghanistan, Kuwait, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, etc etc etc

We have short memories but if you recall, ALL these invasions/coups started with a spark of emotional 1-sided super biased media blitzes pandering to the emotions of uninformed masses. ALL of them spun the same script.

Be honest, does the MSM narrative right now not smell like the exact same shit?

All western wars in the past 30 years+ have been media-led wars. Prove me wrong

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Postby Edge Guerrero » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:01 pm

Ukraine: Understanding the concern of the other

By Dr Chandra Muzaffar - February 27, 2022

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A woman stands in front of a destroyed building after a Russian missile attack in the town of Vasylkiv, near Kyiv

THE mainstream Western media is almost unanimous in demanding that Russia and President Vladimir Putin stop their military operation in Ukraine immediately.

This in their opinion is the only solution to the current conflict. However, if one attempts to understand how the current conflict had evolved, one would ask not Russia but the US-led Western alliance to bring down the political temperature as a first step.

The roots of the present conflict have to be traced back to the end of the Cold War in 1991. The leader of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), Russia's predecessor, Mikhail Gorbachev felt that if peace is to greet the demise of the Cold War then the military posturing that signified that era should be buried once and for all.

For his part, Gorbachev was prepared to dismantle the Warsaw Pact that the USSR helmed which was his country's response to the US led North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO).

All that he asked for in return was a firm commitment that NATO would not expand eastwards, extend its military power to the states adjacent to Russia thus posing a security threat to the latter. Though the undertaking that Gorbachev sought was not engraved in written language, American leaders at that time like President Ronald Reagan and Secretary of State James Baker had some notion of the gravity of the verbal pledge they had given to their Russian counterpart.


It is a pity that in the years that followed, the US government made no attempt to give substantive meaning to that pledge. On the contrary, in 1997, three former Warsaw Pact states, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland, were invited to hold talks on joining NATO.


On March 27, 2020, all three joined NATO, in spite of protest from elements in the Russian leadership. A few other states that were once part of the USSR and others allied to Russia in the past have now joined NATO.

It is against this background that one should view events in 2014 that exacerbated Russia - Ukraine ties in relation to NATO. These events are directly linked to the current conflict in Ukraine.

The democratically-elected president of Ukraine, Victor Yanukovich, who was not prepared to follow blindly the dictates of Western powers was unceremoniously removed from power through the manipulation of parliamentary procedures and replaced by a new regime more inclined towards Washington.

Though the Yanukovich government was seriously flawed in some ways, his engineered ouster which strengthened the hands of neo-Nazi and fascist elements, spawned virulent anti-Russian rhetoric and spiked street violence has left deep scars upon Ukranian society.

The separatist tensions and turmoil in parts of Eastern Ukraine in the last eight years that have taken the lives of at least 14,000 people can only be understood within the context of this post-2014 scenario.

It is also this scenario that explains in part why Russian president Vladimir Putin acted the way he did in Crimea in Eastern Ukraine. The overwhelming desire among the vast majority of the people of Crimea to re-link their land to Russia affirmed in the 2014 Referendum is irrefutable proof of how ordinary citizens view their security and well-being.

This is why loose talk in Kyiv and Washington in the last few months that 'Ukraine should join NATO' or that ' Ukraine should acquire nuclear weapons' in the end produced a backlash effect.

It increased anxiety among both elites and citizens in Russia about security concerns. It is important to emphasise yet again that this concern for their collective security as a nation and as a people is what Vladimir Putin, Sergei Lavrov and other Russian leaders have tried to convey to their counterparts in Washington, London, Paris, Berlin and indeed every other Western capital for more than 20 years since the end of the Cold War. Simply put, Russia does not want a Western military alliance - NATO - perched at its gate.

The West has refused to address this very legitimate concern.

Worse, it has wilfully chosen to brush aside Russia's fear.


On March 27, 2020, all three joined NATO, in spite of protest from elements in the Russian leadership. A few other states that were once part of the USSR and others allied to Russia in the past have now joined NATO.

It is against this background that one should view events in 2014 that exacerbated Russia - Ukraine ties in relation to NATO. These events are directly linked to the current conflict in Ukraine.

The democratically-elected president of Ukraine, Victor Yanukovich, who was not prepared to follow blindly the dictates of Western powers was unceremoniously removed from power through the manipulation of parliamentary procedures and replaced by a new regime more inclined towards Washington.

Though the Yanukovich government was seriously flawed in some ways, his engineered ouster which strengthened the hands of neo-Nazi and fascist elements, spawned virulent anti-Russian rhetoric and spiked street violence has left deep scars upon Ukranian society.

The separatist tensions and turmoil in parts of Eastern Ukraine in the last eight years that have taken the lives of at least 14,000 people can only be understood within the context of this post-2014 scenario.

It is also this scenario that explains in part why Russian president Vladimir Putin acted the way he did in Crimea in Eastern Ukraine. The overwhelming desire among the vast majority of the people of Crimea to re-link their land to Russia affirmed in the 2014 Referendum is irrefutable proof of how ordinary citizens view their security and well-being.

This is why loose talk in Kyiv and Washington in the last few months that 'Ukraine should join NATO' or that ' Ukraine should acquire nuclear weapons' in the end produced a backlash effect.

It increased anxiety among both elites and citizens in Russia about security concerns. It is important to emphasise yet again that this concern for their collective security as a nation and as a people is what Vladimir Putin, Sergei Lavrov and other Russian leaders have tried to convey to their counterparts in Washington, London, Paris, Berlin and indeed every other Western capital for more than 20 years since the end of the Cold War. Simply put, Russia does not want a Western military alliance - NATO - perched at its gate.

The West has refused to address this very legitimate concern.

Worse, it has wilfully chosen to brush aside Russia's fear.

https://www.nst.com.my/opinion/columnists/2022/02/775405/ukraine-understanding-concern-other
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Postby Canuckster » Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:00 am

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People say they all want the truth, but when they are confronted with a truth that disagrees with them, they balk at it as if it were an unwanted zombie apocalypse come to destroy civilization.

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Postby Canuckster » Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:55 am

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Postby Vutulaki » Tue Mar 01, 2022 4:00 am

Please cry about Israel now.. lol

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Postby Masato » Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:30 pm

Vutulaki wrote:Please cry about Israel now.. lol


Thanks. Indeed the hypocrisy of public/media response is nasty. People only seem to give a shit when their TV/MSM tells them to give a shit. After that they don't give a shit.

folks still plugged into mainstream media are mental puppets on strings

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Postby Masato » Tue Mar 01, 2022 4:56 pm

Ukrainian MP admits on air that this is Russia VS the "New World Order":


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Postby Edge Guerrero » Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:11 pm

Ukraine conflict: Russia bombs Kharkiv's Freedom Square and opera house

Russian missiles and rockets have hit the cultural heart of Ukraine's second largest city in what officials said was a deadly and "cruel" attack.

An opera house, concert hall and government offices were hit in Freedom Square, in the centre of the north-eastern city Kharkiv.

At least 10 people were killed and 35 more were injured, local authorities have said.

The attack came as Ukraine's president said Russia was committing war crimes.

"This is the price of freedom," President Volodymyr Zelensky said. "This is terror against Ukraine. There were no military targets in the square - nor are they in those residential districts of Kharkiv which come under rocket artillery fire," he added.

Video footage showed a missile hitting the local government building and exploding, causing a massive fireball and blowing out windows of surrounding buildings. Freedom Square is the second largest city-centre square in Europe and a landmark of the city.

Kharkiv has been bombed heavily for days now and 16 people were killed before Tuesday's attack, Mr Zelensky said. His government accuses Russia of trying to lay siege to Kharkiv and other cities, including the capital Kyiv, where a huge Russian armoured convoy is approaching.

Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said the world must do more to punish Russia for the "barbaric" attack on Freedom Square and residential neighbourhoods, accusing the Russian President Vladimir Putin of committing "more war crimes out of fury, murdering innocent civilians".

The sixth day of Russia's invasion of Ukraine has seen continued attacks on several fronts, but the Russian advance has reportedly been slowed by Ukrainian resistance.

People in the southern city of Kherson say it is now surrounded, and Mariupol, a port city also in the south of Ukraine, is without electricity after an intense bombardment.

Meanwhile new satellite images showed a 40-mile (64km) long Russian military convoy outside the capital, Kyiv.

The convoy includes armoured vehicles, tanks, artillery and logistical vehicles, and is said to be less than 18 miles (30km) from the city.

A Russian air strike hit Kyiv's main TV tower in the afternoon, putting several state media organisations off air but apparently leaving the tower intact.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson accused Russia of "barbaric and indiscriminate practises... to send missiles into tower blocks to kill children".

And speaking to the UN Human Rights Council, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Russian rights violations were "mounting by the hour" and said Moscow should be stripped of its membership of the council.



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"Yesterday there was very intense shelling on residential areas," said Maria Avdeeva, an international security expert currently in Kharkiv.

"Actually, it was the first time that Russia was deliberately targeting houses with people living there," she told the BBC's Newsday programme.

"We still have water, it is running in the house. But at any moment Russia could hit the critical infrastructure facilities. There are shortages of food already," Ms Avdeeva added.

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Postby Canuckster » Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:52 pm

People say they all want the truth, but when they are confronted with a truth that disagrees with them, they balk at it as if it were an unwanted zombie apocalypse come to destroy civilization.

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Postby Vutulaki » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:20 am

Masato wrote:
Vutulaki wrote:Please cry about Israel now.. lol


Thanks. Indeed the hypocrisy of public/media response is nasty. People only seem to give a shit when their TV/MSM tells them to give a shit. After that they don't give a shit.

folks still plugged into mainstream media are mental puppets on strings



How much better is the "alternate" media these days? Personally I find gravitas out of india of all places to be the most impartial MSM source ATM.

Id smash the fuck out the presenter's curry puff too


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