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Re: Thoughts on coronavirus...

Postby Masato » Thu May 07, 2020 8:05 pm

penxv wrote:
Canuckster wrote:Cliffs?


State of California is hiring thousands of people for a "community contact tracing program" and they are going to remove people from their homes who they deem a threat to spread covid19. He expects it to become a "bigger and bigger thing" and that all the other states will follow suit if they haven't started their own programs already.


Its not just that, 'contact tracing' as I understand it is basically like an ankle bracelet that prisoners wear, a permanent tracker on you. The idea is that people who have come in contact with anyone with COVID will be tracked 24/7 via their phones and alarms will go off if you are moving anywhere outside wherever they decide you have to be quarantined.

Watch for that term 'Contact Tracing' more, it sounds harmless and productive and the media will use it this way, but it's so much more than that imo.

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Postby Megaterio Llamas » Sat May 09, 2020 12:43 am

What does this mean? What aren't they telling us about this virus?


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Postby Megaterio Llamas » Sat May 09, 2020 1:02 am

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Postby Masato » Sat May 09, 2020 2:29 pm

OK here is something interesting;

I think we are in for a ride of propaganda wars.

That 'Plandemic' interview with the woman who claims a bunch of dirt on Fauci is getting some very strong pushback from the MSM:

Forbes Magazine throws a fit over it:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle ... e6fcc15fa3

It is worded very strongly, very one-sidedly, basically telling readers to ridicule and even publicly 'unfriend' people on social media if they post anything about 'conspiracy theories' like the video in question.

The Forbes article posts a number or 'debunking' links at the bottom of the article, apparently tearing the statements made in the video to shreds. It particularly highlights THIS link:
https://vitals.lifehacker.com/if-you-fo ... 1843339002

I don't know who this LifeHacker site is owned by, but I would like to know.

The link throws some good criticism on the woman and her claims, several fair debunking shots made. But then it turns into total conspiracy denial language, that same stubborn mental block that assumes anything even remotely conspiratorial sounding must all be false and ridiculous at face value. Some major points that the video DOES bring up are just tossed away chalked up to 'conspiracy theory' (yes the writer uses that term throughout the article) like the simple but very alarming fact that Fauci does appear to have a vested interest in the proposed vaccine. That conflict of interest alone should be major imo. The writer admits that Big Pharma is corrupt and that money drives the medical industry, but yet believes steadfastly that this COVID situation is the exception, and that Fauci should not be considered suspicious right now, and that no such corruption exists with COVID because conspiracy theory.

You can read it and see for yourself, but that's not what I'm interested in...

What I'm interested in the PROPAGANDA WARS here:

1. A video comes out of fucking nowhere and gets millions of views right away. Tons of people seeing it everywhere. Suggests a master conspiracy.
2. Youtube censors the video almost immediately
3. Forbes Magazine and a host of other publications attack it like dogs on meat, convincingly debunking for an even greater audience, all unanimously littering their articles with the term 'conspiracy theory' and such so as to shut down the entire debate.

what do you think might be happening here?

Do you think this all could have been bait to discredit 'conspiracy theories'? I have seen several times where some strawman article or video is created and pumped out, only to be exposed quickly as being full of holes and errors. MSM focuses on that one example and thus uses it as a license to dismiss everything else that may still demand investigation.

Maybe the video is legit but indeed full of holes and the lady has some of her shit wrong. But the video does open up some serious questions that the 'debunking' is blatantly ignoring, and cannot properly address.

Propaganda wars, yo. Honestly I think we will see this, groups will put out false bait, swing people over to it, then prove it wrong and watch everyone tip the other way. Its a war for people's beliefs, a war for credibility and who will maintain control of the 'official' narrative.


UPDATE:

The woman in the interview currently has a book out. Red flag noted. Interestingly, the book is published in partnership with Children’s Health Defense, an organization led by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/

It looks like this whole controversy may be some anti-vax fire. God knows that divides people pretty quickly lol


UPDATE UPDATE:

The company behind this film made its mark by distributing and marketing the documentary that led to the book, "The Secret."
https://www.connectbeyondfestival.com/2 ... kki-willis


LOL UPDATE:

I'm going through some of the links that Forbes posted to debunk the Plandemic interview.
I will highlight some of the jokes :D

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This was my favourite:
Quoting some very important truths about the foundations of Western Medical/Big Pharma Industry that are crucial right now (yes Rockefeller Foundation has a major role in this COVID event and proposed solutions)... yet the writer calls it 'tinfoil hat conspiracy territory:
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Postby penxv » Sat May 09, 2020 3:46 pm

Bad strategic move from msm... drawing attention to their censorship.

Lifehacker is part of the Gawker group. Communist propaganda for people who will always be in debt to university. They've been bought and sold a few times but their original iteration must have stepped out of line in some way because they had to give all their money to that incestuous pederast Hulk Hogan in some goofy show trial.

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Postby Masato » Sun May 10, 2020 12:45 am

penxv wrote:Bad strategic move from msm... drawing attention to their censorship.

Lifehacker is part of the Gawker group. Communist propaganda for people who will always be in debt to university. They've been bought and sold a few times but their original iteration must have stepped out of line in some way because they had to give all their money to that incestuous pederast Hulk Hogan in some goofy show trial.


Thanks for the tip on LifeHacker

I'm not so sure this is a bad move on the part of the MSM... seems like a perfect trick to discredit opposing voices and shut down discussion. Getting people excited about a vid, discredit it, and subsequently ridicule any branch of questions remotely related to the themes as 'conspiracy nonsense'. Seems to be a pretty good way to close the discussion, make people feel stupid for entertaining or sharing any such ideas in the first place, make them wary to explore any deeper.

All those links Forbes posted were not just a one-sided debunking of that woman's claims and the video, but are all one-sided debunkings of any and all 'conspiracy theories' in general far beyond just the video. That's what's weird here. They don't just end with the woman's testimony. They all extend the issue in an attempt to discredit anything even remotely related to conspiratorial ideas, ridicule those who have them, and encourage to blacklist and shame people for expressing them.

I will be curious to see if they release the rest of the documentary - the interview with the woman was supposed to be only the first part.

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Postby penxv » Sun May 10, 2020 2:21 am

Masato wrote: Seems to be a pretty good way to close the discussion, make people feel stupid for entertaining or sharing any such ideas in the first place, make them wary to explore any deeper.

All those links Forbes posted were not just a one-sided debunking of that woman's claims and the video, but are all one-sided debunkings of any and all 'conspiracy theories' in general far beyond just the video. That's what's weird here. They don't just end with the woman's testimony. They all extend the issue in an attempt to discredit anything even remotely related to conspiratorial ideas, ridicule those who have them, and encourage to blacklist and shame people for expressing them.


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Postby Edge Guerrero » Wed May 13, 2020 8:37 pm

COVID-19 lockdowns significantly impacting global air quality
Date: May 11, 2020
Source: American Geophysical Union

Summary: Levels of two major air pollutants have been drastically reduced since lockdowns began in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, but a secondary pollutant -- ground-level ozone -- has increased in China, according to new research.

Two new studies in AGU's journal Geophysical Research Letters find nitrogen dioxide pollution over northern China, Western Europe and the U.S. decreased by as much as 60 percent in early 2020 as compared to the same time last year. Nitrogen dioxide is a highly reactive gas produced during combustion that has many harmful effects on the lungs. The gas typically enters the atmosphere through emissions from vehicles, power plants and industrial activities.

In addition to nitrogen dioxide, one of the new studies finds particulate matter pollution (particles smaller than 2.5 microns) has decreased by 35 percent in northern China. Particulate matter is composed of solid particles and liquid droplets that are small enough to penetrate deep into the lungs and cause damage.

The two new papers are part of an ongoing special collection of research in AGU journals related to the current pandemic.

Such a significant drop in emissions is unprecedented since air quality monitoring from satellites began in the 1990s, said Jenny Stavrakou, an atmospheric scientist at the Royal Belgian Institute for Space Aeronomy in Brussels and co-author of one of the papers. The only other comparable events are short-term reductions in China's emissions due to strict regulations during events like the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

The improvements in air quality will likely be temporary, but the findings give scientists a glimpse into what air quality could be like in the future as emissions regulations become more stringent, according to the researchers.

"Maybe this unintended experiment could be used to understand better the emission regulations," Stavrakou said. "It is some positive news among a very tragic situation."

However, the drop in nitrogen dioxide pollution has caused an increase in surface ozone levels in China, according to one of the new studies. Ozone is a secondary pollutant formed when sunlight and high temperature catalyze chemical reactions in the lower atmosphere. Ozone is harmful to humans at ground-level, causing pulmonary and heart disease.

In highly polluted areas, particularly in winter, surface ozone can be destroyed by nitrogen oxides, so ozone levels can increase when nitrogen dioxide pollution goes down. As a result, although air quality has largely improved in many regions, surface ozone can still be a problem, according to Guy Brasseur, an atmospheric scientist at the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, Germany, and lead author of one of the new studies.

"It means that by just reducing the [nitrogen dioxide] and the particles, you won't solve the ozone problem," Brasseur said.

Worldwide emissions

Stavrakou and her colleagues used satellite measurements of air quality to estimate the changes in nitrogen dioxide pollution over the major epicenters of the outbreak: China, South Korea, Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Iran and the United States.

They found that nitrogen dioxide pollution decreased by an average of 40 percent over Chinese cities and by 20 to 38 percent over Western Europe and the United States during the 2020 lockdown, as compared to the same time in 2019.

However, the study found nitrogen dioxide pollution did not decrease over Iran, one of the earliest and hardest-hit countries. The authors suspect this is because complete lockdowns weren't in place until late March and before that, stay-at-home orders were largely ignored. The authors did see a dip in emissions during the Iranian New Year holiday after March 20, but this dip is observed during the celebration every year.

Air quality in China

The second study looked at air quality changes in northern China where the virus was first reported and where lockdowns have been most strict.

Brasseur analyzed levels of nitrogen dioxide and several other types of air pollution measured by 800 ground-level air quality monitoring stations in northern China.

Brasseur and his colleague found particulate matter pollution decreased by an average of 35 percent and nitrogen dioxide decreased by an average of 60 percent after the lockdowns began on January 23.

However, they found the average surface ozone concentration increased by a factor of 1.5-2 over the same time period. At ground level, ozone forms from complex reactions involving nitrogen dioxide and volatile organic compounds (VOCs), gases emitted by a variety of household and industrial products, but ozone levels can also be affected by weather conditions and other factors.

Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200511124444.htm
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