Sexual Freedom vs Debauchery

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Re: Sexual Freedom vs Debauchery

Postby SRBrant » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:35 pm

Also regarding that video of "Babylon Before Hitler." Are you sympathizing with that dead monster's ideals?

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Postby Masato » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:45 pm

SRBrant wrote:
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SRBrant wrote:The line between sexual liberty and depravity is whether or not the activities actually hurt anyone.


Good call. I would tend to agree, but might also argue that if you are hurting yourself it can also turn into depravity. Hurting yourself maybe not just physically, but letting the mind become primal or perverted, doing a disservice to the great minds and potentials we are given.

I keep noticing how many kids shows revolve around sexual premises... just a few days ago my son was watching some cartoon that looked like it was aimed at young kids but the whole storyline was about a female character lusting after a boy to kiss him. What does it do to us as a species when we are conditioned to always have this on the forefront of attention? Advertising certainly knows we are vulnerable when presented with sexy imagery, its been used for decades.


You're starting to sound like a fundamentalist parent. Many shows have that just so that adults find them funny in a way that would fly over kids' heads.


lol you may be right

I am suddenly finding pangs of empathy for parents in the 50's who saw Elvis shaking his hips and saying it was 'the Devil's music' :D

Of course I'm stretching the point for the sake of discussion here, but those 50's fundamentalist parents would have a heart attack if they saw today's pop stars and tv shows

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Postby Masato » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:48 pm

SRBrant wrote:Also regarding that video of "Babylon Before Hitler." Are you sympathizing with that dead monster's ideals?


why you always twisting my words about these topics? lol

I'm showing an historical extreme outcome of this issue, pondering if there may be a similar backlash against debauchery of american pop culture. I think Hitler went way too far with it personally (I think people should be free to do what they like even if I think it's unhealthy), but the question itself is worth pondering at both an individual and societal level

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Postby SRBrant » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:02 pm

Masato wrote:
SRBrant wrote:Also regarding that video of "Babylon Before Hitler." Are you sympathizing with that dead monster's ideals?


why you always twisting my words about these topics? lol

I'm showing an historical extreme outcome of this issue, pondering if there may be a similar backlash against debauchery of american pop culture. I think Hitler went way too far with it personally (I think people should be free to do what they like even if I think it's unhealthy), but the question itself is worth pondering at both an individual and societal level


My apologies. But perhaps you should phrase your points better.

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Postby Masato » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:05 pm

Great to have you back, SRBrant :D

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Postby Masato » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:09 pm

Please understand it is on my nature to enjoy contemplating different perspectives on most issues, I can often see things and empathize with different views even if I wouldn’t personally agree for myself. I think this is a good quality to have actually, not lock ourselves into stubborn and rigid thought patterns, try to understand another who may appear alien to us

I can sometimes see how traditional Christian Germans at the time might have romantically fallen for an idea of trying raising cultural values and return to traditional family values , unaware of how extremely such a stance was to evolve

At the same time I have empathy for the many artists and filmmakers and even sex trade workers who were shut down and exiled under the same conditions

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Postby SRBrant » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:24 am

Masato wrote:Please understand it is on my nature to enjoy contemplating different perspectives on most issues, I can often see things and empathize with different views even if I wouldn’t personally agree for myself. I think this is a good quality to have actually, not lock ourselves into stubborn and rigid thought patterns, try to understand another who may appear alien to us

I can sometimes see how traditional Christian Germans at the time might have romantically fallen for an idea of trying raising cultural values and return to traditional family values , unaware of how extremely such a stance was to evolve

At the same time I have empathy for the many artists and filmmakers and even sex trade workers who were shut down and exiled under the same conditions


The ability to see in multiple perspectives is a precious trait, especially for fiction writers.

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Postby Shinkicker » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:48 pm

Masato wrote: :D


The Stranger

A few months before I was born, my dad met a stranger who was new to our small Tennessee town. From the beginning, Dad was fascinated with this enchanting newcomer, and soon invited him to live with our family. The stranger was quickly accepted and was around to welcome me into the world a few months later. As I grew up I never questioned his place in our family. Mom taught me to love the Word of God. Dad taught me to obey it. But the stranger was our storyteller. He could weave the most fascinating tales. Adventures, mysteries and comedies were daily conversations. He could hold our whole family spellbound for hours each evening. He was like a friend to the whole family. He took Dad, Bill and me to our first major league baseball game. He was always encouraging us to see the movies and he even made arrangements to introduce us to several movie stars. The stranger was an incessant talker. Dad didn't seem to mind, but sometimes Mom would quietly get up - while the rest of us were enthralled with one of his stories of faraway places - and go to her room read her Bible and pray. I wonder now if she ever prayed that the stranger would leave. You see, my dad ruled our household with certain moral convictions. But this stranger never felt an obligation to honor them. Profanity, for example, was not allowed in our house - not from us, from our friends, or adults. Our longtime visitor, however, used occasional four-letter words that burned my ears and made Dad squirm. To my knowledge the stranger was never confronted. My dad was a teetotaler who didn't permit alcohol in his home - not even for cooking. But the stranger felt he needed exposure and enlightened us to other ways of life. He offered us beer and other alcoholic beverages often. He made cigarettes look tasty, cigars manly, and pipes distinguished. He talked freely (too much too freely) about sex. His comments were sometimes blatant, sometimes suggestive, and generally embarrassing. I know now that my early concepts of the man/woman relationship were influenced by the stranger. As I look back, I believe it was the grace of God that the stranger did not influence us more. Time after time he opposed the values of my parents. Yet he was seldom rebuked and never asked to leave. More than thirty years have passed since the stranger moved in with the young family on Morningside Drive. But if I were to walk into my parents' den today, you would still see him sitting over in a corner, waiting for someone to listen to him talk and watch him draw his pictures. His name? We always called him TV.

Unfortunately I do not know the source of this story.

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Postby Shinkicker » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:51 pm

That's no longer TV. It's the internet.

Kids have access to any and everything at the critical time when their minds are being molded. It's scares the bejeezus out of me.

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Postby Shinkicker » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:07 pm

A childhood friend of mine (male) got arrested for molesting a 3 year old girl. (Not penetration, and not that it matters, just saying).

I grew up with this guy and his family. I would have never, ever suspected him. It made me often wonder what made him do it. He had a good sex life with his wife. He was charming and sexy and could easily "hook up" anytime he went out. All women just seemed to go stupid over him.

I know that he found his mom's porn tapes and started watching at a very early age, I'm talking young. I wonder if watching porn made him begin developing that area (sexual development) early.


Do you think that could explain a sexual desire to a young age group? Due to being sexual stimulated at that age yourself?


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