Daglord wrote:new video out today. haven't watched yet, but I'm a fan of brendan hunt's other work. I searched 9/11, nine eleven & september 11. nothing. so it's a new thread to dump.
should be interesting:
If you really want to learn about what really happened on 9/11 Daglord, why don't you ask me?
Dagwood wrote:Where was 'I' when...9/11? - On holiday visiting my wall st derivatives trader friend in NYC at ground zero at church & fulton st in Manhattan right in front of the Millennium Hilton, right beside the North tower until 10 minutes before the first tower fell, after getting off the subway from Brooklyn at the fulton st station, then getting trampled when the second tower got hit & exploded, then trying to help while watching bloodied and/or burned people come by me out of the north tower and seeing people jump from the buildings.
Dagwood wrote:I've spent 14 years trying to figure out what 'really' happened on 9/11. It's had a big effect on my life. I was in NYC visiting a close-friend at the time. He was a derivatives trader working right at the southern tip of Manhattan on the 100 block of Wall St. I unfortunately got off the subway from Brooklyn to be at ground zero at church st & fulton st at the base of the north tower just before the second plane hit on that tuesday.
I went through and saw a lot of shit that day that even now I am still trying to process. A big part of this has been understanding what 'really' happened. As time has gone by my whole belief system about the workings of the world has been shattered. It's been a difficult thing to come to grips with this reality. I understand exactly where the sheeple are today.
Things that challenge everything you've been conditioned to understand for your entire life just seem impossible to be true. Laughable, crazy, idiocy, heresy et al. It takes a long time with an open analytical mind, willing to go to previously unthinkable places, in order to get to that breaking point. For me it was the access to previously unattainable millions of pieces of information on the internet I could sift through & weigh meticulously. At the point that technology became publicly available came a disturbing new paradigm that is slowly change our reality. I said slowly though, barring it's not heavily censored or cut off at some point before the tide turns in the opposite direction for humanity.
Another line of pondering that will likely get nowhere, and she gets a lot of shit from the Truth community, but I personally find her questions to be more than reasonable;
The towers turned to DUST. Like nothing left. Not a stack of broken floors (as a pancake theory would suggest)... not any main core steel beams left sticking up, not huge chunks of building or concrete left scattered around ground zero. The ENTIRE STRUCTURES basically disappeared. like GONE. That is a hell of a lot of sheer mass to just disappear, imo.
here is a video of what seems to be STEEL SUPPORT COLUMNS just becoming dust and blowing away in the wind:
Combined with the fact that 2 massive architectural structures basically just vaporized into tiny particles all the way to the base, we also have the strange anomaly of the melted cars near ground zero, which also seems very odd and may point to some other kind of energy-based weapons. Certainly this can't happen from sheer falling debris? Could a collapsing building really cause such heat as to do this?
But again, this is another question that is very difficult to prove or convince, and will likely polarize people, which is not what is needed imo.
Find the NAMES AND PEOPLE responsible, identify the paper trails, interrogate the fuck out of them, and hopefully this will lead us to the truth of the 'how' questions.
Here is a bit on L Paul Bremer... who I think is a majorly overlooked player in the 911 events.
It was HIS floors precisely that were impacted. Also, it was ONLY his floors that had extensive 'fire-proofing' work done prior to 9/11.
He was supposed to be in a meeting that day but did not show up.
He has close family ties to the Bush Family.
Of all things to do, his #1 priority on 9/11 was to go on TV and dish out the official story. I believe he was actually the first one to publicly name Bin Laden as the suspect, within mere hours of the attack, way before any investigation could even begin.
He was also involved with a company called KOMATSU, which had invented/patented some sort of thermal demolition device.
Later, he landed the job as the IRAQ OCCUPATION GOVERNOR.
In this video we can see his urgent appearances on TV telling us the official story and calling for war
Masato wrote: good call, I shouldn't mess with such 'no plane' theories here... intention of the thread is to gather the best FACTUAL evidence disputing the official story.
still no planes @ Pentagon or Shanksville though... of that I have become quite certain.
No planes theory is ridicules and makes conspiracy researchers look like dicks...But this i believe is the point of the No Planes theory. Its also to conflate No Planes at The Pentagon and Shanksville with No Planes at the WTC on 911.
Just finished a presentation by a guy named CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN that I was super impressed with.
He argues that 9/11 was almost exclusively part of the Yinon/Greater Israel plan, and names all kinds of key players that I had not yet run across, as well as linking tons of known key players to Israeli/Zionist plan-makers.
Very interesting talk. He wrote a book called 'Solving 9/11: The Deception that Changed the world.
I think I'd like to get a copy of it.
Here is the presentation I watched... good Q&A at the end:
Then I found he has a website and audio of his book:
The deathly precision of the attacks and the magnitude of planning would have required years of planning. Such a sophisticated operation would require the fixed frame of a state intelligence organization, something not found in a loose group, like the one led by the student Mohammed Atta in Hamburg.
- Eckehardt Werthebach, former president of Germany's Verfassungsschutz intelligence service, to the author, December 2001
Chapter 1: The Dream
Indications of Israeli Involvement
The Odigo Warnings
Evidence of Explosions Ignored
The Destruction of Evidence
The Cover-up Continues
The Fraudulent War on Terror
The Zionist Strategy
The Hoax of 9-11
The Evidence of Israeli Involvement
Israel – A Terrorist State
Israeli False-Flag Terrorism
The Planes of 9-11
Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI)
The ATASCO-Bedek Connection
Shaul Eisenberg – “World Entrepreneur”
IDF – Israeli Drug Forces?
“Clipper Jupiter” and Zimex Aviation
ATASCO Ties to 9-11
Bedek’s Specialty – Boeing 767 Conversions
IAI in Miami – Commodore Aviation
Someday, perhaps, if it's decided that the stories can be told, you'll see that the state [Israel] has been involved in acts that are a thousand times more dirty than anything going on in Colombia. These things were decided by the government, in cabinet meetings. As long as the government decides to do something, something that the national interest demanded, then it is legitimate. But if an individual wants to do the same thing, it isn’t. That’s just the way it is. It’s very simple.
Lieut. Gen. Rafael Eitan
Israeli Chief of Staff, 1978-83
“The Colombia Connection”
Jerusalem Post, September 1, 1989
Israeli Prior Knowledge
Evidence of Israeli Involvement
Israel's History of Terror
Netanyahu's Support for Terrorists
Netanyahu's Terrorist Roots
Previous Israeli Attacks on U.S. Targets
Cover-Up (USS Liberty)
"Sink the Target - No Survivors"
The U.S. Marine Barracks - Beirut 1983
"War on Terror"
Decades of Planning
Israel Harel - Mossad's Master Terrorist
The Lavon Affair
Lavon - Terrorize the West
Sharett and Israeli Terrorism
Shimon Peres - "Frighten the West"
Shimon Peres - Terrorist-in-Chief
I sat with former Mossad chief Isser Harel for a conversation about Arab terrorism. As he handed me a cup of hot tea and a plate of cookies, I asked him, "Do you think terrorism will come to America, and if so, where and why?"
Harel looked at his American visitor and replied, "I fear it will come to you in America. America has the power, but not the will, to fight terrorism. The terrorists have the will, but not the power, to fight America - but all that could change with time. Arab oil money buys more than tents."
As to the where, Harel continued, "New York City is the symbol of freedom and capitalism. It's likely they will strike the Empire State Building, your tallest building [he mistakenly thought] and a symbol of your power."
… Twenty-one years later, the first part of Harel’s prediction came true; except, of course, that the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center were much taller than the Empire State Building.
- Michael D. Evans on what Israeli intelligence chief Isser Harel told him in September 1980, "America the Target," Jerusalem Post, September 30, 2001.
London - July 7, 2005
"This Is the Real One"
"We Chose a Scenario"
BBC and the "Series of Explosions" at the World Trade Center
The "Plane-into-Building" Drill of 9-11
"Not a Simulation"
The Estonia Catastrophe
NATO's "Search & Rescue" Exercise
Estonia's Bomb Drills
The easiest way to carry out a false flag attack is by setting up a military exercise that simulates the very attack you want to carry out.
- Captain Eric H. May, former U.S. Army military intelligence officer
Ptech and 9-11
"The Heart of the Matter"
Monte Belger at the FAA
U.S. Aviation Technology LLC
Peter Goelz of the NTSB
"The Ptech story is a crucial piece of 9/11 because the software was used to simultaneously coordinate the FAA with NORAD and the Secret Service."
- Jamey Hecht, "Ptech, 9/11, and USA-Saudi Terror," FTW Publications
The Florida Connection
"Terror is theatre... Theatre's a con trick. Do you know what that means? Con trick? You've been deceived."
- John Le Carre, The Little Drummer Girl, 1983
kind of keeping up on this case throughout the thread... not really sure what to think of it. opinions are encouraged. IMHO...
A) you better have 100%, irrefutable proof of something before you allow citizens to start suing foreign governments.
B) this seems like it would potentially open up an incredible can of worms if people start filing lawsuits for state-sponsored terrorism. it could go on forever.
on the other hand...
C) this has got to put pressure on the release of the 28 pages, I don't see how they could be so sure of saudi government involvement without.
D) boy would a trial about the financing of 9/11 in a federal court be something to watch!
not to mention, this sure has put the president in a pickle. he has already promised a veto, but it passed 100% in the senate. so far, it's veto proof. I'm sure there is a lot more to it than just the families, shit we're not privy to, but to the general public that is how it's gonna look. difficult situation. this thing could go off in so many different ways. interesting times.
Senate passes bill allowing 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia http://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-usa-congress-idUSKCN0Y8239
The U.S. Senate passed legislation on Tuesday that would allow families of Sept. 11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia's government for damages, setting up a potential showdown with the White House, which has threatened a veto.
The Saudis, who deny responsibility for the 2001 attacks, strongly object to the bill. They had said they might sell up to $750 billion in U.S. securities and other American assets in retaliation if it became law.
The "Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act," or JASTA, passed the Senate by unanimous voice vote. It must next be taken up by the U.S. House of Representatives, where the Judiciary Committee intends to hold a hearing on the measure in the near future, a committee aide said.
If it became law, JASTA would remove the sovereign immunity, preventing lawsuits against governments, for countries found to be involved in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. It would allow survivors of the attacks, and relatives of those killed in the attacks, to seek damages from other countries.
In this case, it would allow lawsuits to proceed in federal court in New York as lawyers try to prove that the Saudis were involved in the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
CLASSIFIED PAGES OF 9/11 REPORT
Republican Senator John Cornyn, also a sponsor of the bill, said JASTA does not target the Saudis, although he alluded to a still-classified section of a report on the Sept. 11 attacks that Saudi critics say might implicate Riyadh.
"We have yet to see the 28 pages that have not been yet released about the 9/11 report, and that may well be instructive," Cornyn said at the news conference.
Other lawmakers who have seen the 28 pages have said releasing them would quiet such rumors.
Cornyn said it was up to the court to decide whether the Saudis were liable. "I don't believe that this will be destructive of the relationship that we have with the kingdom of Saudi Arabia," he said.
The White House said Obama still plans to veto JASTA.